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Training / Re: Training Feedback for a flatlander
« Last post by bill robinette on April 23, 2017, 06:04:22 pm »
thanks.  Will do
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Training / Re: Training Feedback for a flatlander
« Last post by Vomastic on April 23, 2017, 11:21:52 am »
Hi Bill,
Here is what you can do for your treadmill that only goes to 12%.  Measure the distance between the front points and the rear points where the treadmill contacts the floor.  let's say that distance is 50 inches.  Multiply that distance times 0.03 or 3%. 
50" x .03 = 1.5"
That is the width of a standard 2x4 or 2x6 piece of lumber.
Place that board (or whatever measures 1.5" or what you computed) under the front wheels of the treadmill.  The treadmill will now have a grade of 3% to 15%.  That should not damage your treadmill motor because the stress on the motor is less at higher inclines.
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Training / Re: Training Feedback for a flatlander
« Last post by bill robinette on April 23, 2017, 10:44:37 am »
Thanks.  I had seen a treadmill simulation posted somewhere and had made my own spreadsheet.  However, my treadmill only goes up to 12% so I haven't tried the simulation yet.  So far I have just been putting the treadmill on 12% and 3.0.  My last workout was 5 miles.  But I have a friend whose treadmill goes up to 20% so I am going to try part of the simulation next weekend.
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Training / Re: Training Feedback for a flatlander
« Last post by Vomastic on April 22, 2017, 04:41:22 pm »
Hi Bill,
I do a lot of treadmill training in preparation for the PPA.  I would recommend you do the PPA treadmill simulation because it will provide some feedback on your progress rather than just walking at a 15% grade.  I published the PPA treadmill simulation a few years back and I have expanded it for my own use.  I log my time at each checkpoint and record my heart rate and note the calories/hour I am burning.  (Note: not all treadmills provide this data.  Matt Carpenter recommends a constant effort; slower on the steeper slopes and faster on the shallow.  Here is an example:

Speed (mph)   Grade
3.6           3%
3.3           6%
3.2           7%
2.5          11%
2.4          12%
2.3          13%
2.2          14%
2.1          15%

Here is a link to the chart I use to log my PPA simulation runs.

https://1drv.ms/x/s!Ap1RwN8MNqtjiUun39DJ-OWbUysd

I live at 8,000', so it may seem easy to maintain these slower speeds at lower altitudes.  If so increase the speed for each grade.  You should be able to walk to Barr Camp (7.6 miles) at the time of this posting.  As you increase the length of your long runs, you should be feeling strong when you reach Barr Camp.  If you have difficulty completing the legs beyond Barr Camp, you need to slow your pace in the early legs. 
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General Discussion / Re: Arlene Piper on Only A Game podcast this week.
« Last post by FlyGirl on April 20, 2017, 02:19:33 pm »
Thank you!
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Training / Garden of the Gods
« Last post by bill robinette on April 20, 2017, 01:16:51 pm »
Being from Kentucky I was thinking about running the Garden of the Gods to see how I adjust to the altitude.  Is it worth it since the altitude at the end of the PPA is so much greater than Garden of the Gods.  I could get in very early on Friday and actually go partly up the Barr Trail when I get there. 

The other option would be to just do the entire Barr Trail and skip the Garden of the Gods.

Thoughts?
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General Discussion / Arlene Piper on Only A Game podcast this week.
« Last post by Mitch Walma on April 17, 2017, 06:43:44 pm »
Arlene Piper is going to be on NPR's Only a Game podcast this week. 4-22-17
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Training / Re: anyone know where to park to run from say 10K to 14K on road
« Last post by Yoni Fridman on April 17, 2017, 10:48:13 am »
Yes, running on the road is illegal. It's not obvious what your friend was referring to, but I can think of two likely options:

1) Elk Park, as Mark mentioned. It starts at almost 12k ft, just below treeline, goes 5.5 miles slightly downhill to Barr Camp, and from there you can take Barr Trail to the summit. One-way, it's about 11 miles, including 1500 ft of elevation loss and 4000 ft of elevation gain. The parking lot is hard to find, I can probably post an image if this is what you're interested in.

2) There's a large parking lot at Devil's Playground, at almost 13k ft. From there, you can get on the Crags trail to the summit, which parallels the road for a while.

I'm not aware of any spot along the road lower down that's runnable to the summit.
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Training / Re: anyone know where to park to run from say 10K to 14K on road
« Last post by Mark on April 16, 2017, 06:20:53 pm »
Elk Park might be the one you are looking for:

http://www.pikespeak.us.com/Activities/hike-the-trails.html

I wouldn't run on the road; hell, it might even be illegal.

There are too many people afraid for their own life driving up and down the road as it is.
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Training / anyone know where to park to run from say 10K to 14K on road
« Last post by Chris1045 on April 16, 2017, 06:00:56 pm »
My friend says he knows of a place where you can drive about halfway up PP and park there then run to top. Can anyone send me a link to or image of the exact spot where you do this? Thanks.
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